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Tuesday, December 30, 2025

Redeemer in the Womb: Jesus Living in Mary by John Saward, Post #4

This is the fourth post of several posts on Redeemer in the Womb: Jesus Living in Mary by John Saward.

You can find Post #1 here

Post #2 here.  

Post #3 here 




Chapter 4: Perfection from Conception: The Middle Ages

Kerstin’s Introduction:

The Middle Ages had a deep fascination with Jesus in Mary’s womb. “The new religious foundations of the Middle Ages—first the Cistercians, later the Franciscans—excelled in devotion to the humanity of Christ and to the mysteries of his life on earth, not least its very first months.” They pondered on the two distinct natures of Christ and how he developed in the womb, the one not diminishing the other.

 

From the very moment the Word was made flesh, the Lord Jesus carried his cross. From that moment he was truly a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. We believe the evangelist signified this when he said that “the Word was made flesh.” By “flesh” he meant the capacity of the flesh to suffer and to suffer with. For what in all creation is more fragile than flesh, more delicate than flesh? Fragility, therefore, corresponds to Passion, suffering; delicacy to Com-passion, suffering-with. From these two, as from two planks, Christ’s cross is constructed. For to suffer and to suffer with, as St. Gregory says, is Christ’s true cross, namely, affliction of body and compassion of mind, provided such a cross is borne for Christ and following Christ. Christ carried this kind of cross from his entry into his Mother’s womb. He endured the confines of the virginal womb.

 

The Franciscans

Devotion to the infancy of Christ, including his first nine months of life, is one of the pillars of Franciscan spirituality. […] Of the Virgin’s womb, he says it is a temple made by the Father’s power, adorned by the wisdom of the Son, dedicated by the grace of the Holy Spirit, and filled by the presence of the Word made flesh to be his “special temple and hospice.”

 

St. Thomas Aquinas

…the monastic theologians of the twelfth century, following the Fathers, readily attributed the fullness of the grace of the Holy Spirit to the soul of Christ from his conception. […] The embryonic Christ is holy, the holy of holies, and at the same time he is hallowing; his grace is intended to overflow to others. The personal grace by which Christ’s soul is sanctified is really identical with the grace that makes him Head of the Church, sanctifying others. […] The loving knowledge with which the divine Redeemer has pursued us from the first moment of his Incarnation surpasses all the powers of the human mind; for by means of the beatific vision, which he enjoyed from the time he was received into the womb of the Mother of God, he has forever and continuously had present to him all the members of his Mystical Body and embraced them with his saving love.

 

Some modern theologians cannot handle these writings. The abilities attributed to the infant Christ do not coincide with human development in the womb and early childhood. What modern man fails to see is the ability of the child to perceive God uninhibited.

 

In every little one of the human family there are hidden spiritual depths to which modern Western culture, materialistic and mechanistic, contra-life and contra-child, blinds the eyes of the mind. If God-made-man is true and perfect man, we should expect there to be capacities realized in his childhood that in us remain mostly dormant.



Mother of the Eucharist

The same body of Christ that the most blessed Virgin brought forth, which she nourished in her womb, wrapped in swaddling clothes and brought up with motherly care: this same body, I say, and none other, we now perceive without any doubt on the sacred altar.

If you believe that flesh to have been created from the Virgin MaMary in the womb without seed by the power of the Holy Spirit, so that the Word became flesh, truly believe that this body taken from the Virgin is confected [in the Eucharist] by the word of Christ and through the Holy Spirit.

You, Mary, are Mother of the Eucharist, because you are Mother of Grace. . . . If, with your mercy and help, we receive your Son in the Sacrament of the Eucharist, he will surely receive us and incorporate us into his Mystical Body.




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My Comment:

Short Summary: Meditations on Mary’s carrying of Jesus in the womb from the Medieval theologians.

 

The contrast of the nature of Christ’s intellect of St. Bernard of Clairvaux with that of the scholastics is interesting.  St. Bernard postulates:

 

Even while he was still unborn, Jesus was a man, not in age, but in wisdom, in vigor of mind, not of body, in the maturity of his mental powers, not in the development of his members. For Jesus was not less wise, or rather I should say was not less Wisdom, at his conception than after his birth, when he was a little one than when he was full-grown. Whether he was lying hidden in the womb or wailing in the manger, whether as a growing lad questioning the doctors in the Temple or as a man of mature age teaching among the people, he was in truth equally full of the Holy Spirit.

 

Here he is postulating that Jesus had the wisdom, and, therefore, mind of a grown man even while a fetus in the womb.  I think St. Bernard failed to realize—at least in this passage; Saward goes on to say Bernard elsewhere acknowledged Christ’s human nature—that though Christ has a God side to His nature, he also has a developing human nature.

 

If this monastic theology has a shortcoming, it is its failure to state explicitly what Scholastic theology will later explain: there can be growth at one level of Christ’s human knowledge and an abiding fullness at another. In the century after St. Bernard, St. Thomas Aquinas will confess that he himself “advanced in wisdom” on the subject of Christ’s “advance in wisdom” and came eventually to attribute a real acquired (experimental) knowledge to Christ.

 

I have always found this hard to keep straight myself.  Christ as one person had one mind but He has two natures, a human nature and a divine nature.  As one person, He has one brain but that brain develops as a human develops and so has the knowledge of comparable human at a given age, but that one brain has a divine nature and functions as the omniscient knowledge of God.  I hope I got that right.  Someone correct me if I didn’t.

 

Michelle’s Reply to My Comment:

I think that's what was meant, although I somehow left this section with the impression that although omniscient, He chose to bring the human nature to the forefront. He could access His divine nature at will, but wanted to live fully as a human, even while in His mother's womb.

 

Now someone please also correct me if I got that wrong!

 

My Reply to Michelle:

LOL, I think we're saying the same thing. :)

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My Comment:

The one thing I found interesting in the scholastic section was St. Thomas Aquinas’ notion that the fetus Jesus was able to see the beatific vision in the womb despite His human development not being sufficient. 

 

Some modern theologians are embarrassed by this view of Christ’s prenatal perfections. They imagine it makes his humanity, if not unreal, at least incredible. Psychology, they argue, has shown that mental development from infancy to adulthood is intrinsic to human life, so that a child already free, already in the bliss of man’s final destiny, would hardly seem to count as a child. He would be a sad infant prodigy, robbed of his childhood. In my opinion, however, St. Thomas’ doctrine of Christ’s “perfections from conception” has much to teach us. It affirms truths about infancy and thus the unborn Infant God to which modern minds have grown oblivious.

 

To the criticisms of recent writers, St. Thomas would answer that whatever graced the unborn Christ Child perfected, but did not destroy, his real unborn human childhood. He quotes St. Leo the Great with approval: apart from the virginal manner of his conception and birth, the Child Jesus is “in no way dissimilar to the generality of human infancy.” The marvels of the extraordinary ‘beatific knowledge’ at his soul’s summit (superior pars animae) do not rob its lower slopes of their precious ordinariness. The Child Jesus is both “pilgrim” and “beholder.” He sees the Father in a childlike way. The One whom he sees and the sublime act of his human intellect by which he sees him are unchanging, but how that seeing bears upon the rest of his human experience depends on the stage of life in which he finds himself. Likewise, the knowledge “infused” by the Holy Spirit into his “possible” (receptive) intellect does not interfere with the normal process of growth in knowledge through the operation of his “agent” intellect. St. Thomas’ doctrine of Christ’s human knowledge does not lead to the ridiculous conclusion that, in his Mother’s womb, the Holy Child “was thinking about the theorems of hydrodynamics and the Battle of Hastings.” The infused knowledge is habitual, not actual: it is a store on which our Lord can draw when he has the need, not an instrument he is perpetually exercising.34 In the womb, he is not engaged in the adult business of thinking at all. He is doing something much more important: in the earthly paradise of his Mother’s body, he is resting and seeing, loving and praising, God his heavenly Father.

 

So what did Jesus think about in the womb? According to Aquinas He was contemplating the Father “in a childlike way, “infused” by the Holy Spirit. But it does not interfere with His human development! How? I cannot conceptualize it…lol.

Kerstin’s Reply to My Comment:

I had difficulties with this part as well. It is hard enough to conceptualize the hypostatic union for the adult Jesus.

My Reply to Kerstin:

Yes!

Michelle’s Reply:

I don't feel as stupid now. We all had trouble here 😀

Michael’s Reply:

Manny wrote: "So what did Jesus think about in the womb?"

A stunning question. What did Jesus think about? Not only in the womb, but always, in his days. While working, while walking, while observing others, or his Mother. I'd never thought 'bout this and had missed this point in reading the book. I'll prob be thinking about it all day.

My Reply to Michael:

You know, when I wrote that I didn't realize the profundity of the question. And your expansion of the thought is even more profound. I can't even imagine how to answer it.

Michelle’s Reply to Michael:

These thoughts are superb, Michael. You just gave me more to think about, in a good way.

My Comment:

So what did Jesus think about in the womb?  According to Aquinas He was contemplating the Father “in a childlike way, “infused” by the Holy Spirit.  But it does not interfere with His human development!  How?  I cannot conceptualize it…lol.

 


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